Protective order against what, if I may be so bold? Also I think our bod had better start thinking about alternative measures quick, just in case tpl does go down. I also hope we haven't lost complete contact with Moore in case he gets his patents back. I think we should have been playing both tpl and Moore against the middle in this instance because I think there's a good chance tpl is going to lose and he will try to take us down with him. RJ