The civil case was addressed, among other things, in the 4/20 hearing. I do have that transcript if you would like me to e-mail it to you. It was very hard to get but they finally released it to me last week. I just came across this board a few weeks ago. You are very much on top of your DD Yacknl. I am just learning, PACER has been a help. Would love to hear your thoughts on what transpired in the 4/20 hearing. This is when Dura Rock came into the picture, the desire to carry the NOLs, even mention of shareholder benefit. It's a 25 page doc so I'd have to get your e-mail addy. Good luck to all here.