Actually Glorieux, I'm surprised that my post has been defined with frustration and ranting as I was actually quite neutral as I wrote it. They were really observations that I posted. I agree with you that being in NOT is one of the better places to be to ultimately profit. My issue is that riding the stock down to the basement is unfortunate. People may have adopted the position that this is ok, as long as they are in a good company, as it will work out well in the end. No professional would ever agree with this however, and in these times, the likes of which we've never seen, one doesn't want to put capital at any greater risk than is necessary.... but these are my opinions. Cheers.