Much like Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, Ryan Braun, and Lance Armstrong, the perpetrators of deception will deny until they are caught red-handed and they can't deny any more.

To all who read these boards, make note of the people defending the actions I've exposed. Decide on your own how much credibility they have with you.

As for you LL, I'll give you the same wager offer that Brian gave me. I'll pay your securities attorney's bill up to $50,000 if I can't prove my conversation with Cliff. If I do prove it, you pay me $10,000.

Come on, LL. As Ron would say, "you got the guts"?