EZ, a couple of the statements you made about how kry's case is far superior need some clarification imo.

1- "GRZ was almost at the position where Chavez was going to take properties back that were not progressing and just being used as assets"

where does this come from? i seem to remember grz being issued a permit just prior to its revocation...they were waiting for approval just like us.

2- "How strong of a case does that make when the judges are told they'd been sitting on this property for years and had to kick them in the ass to get them moving on it"

again, i dont see where GRZ's history with ven is any different than ours? they were'nt sitting on anything..they needed approvals just like we did.

3- "I would sure rather invest 10 cents a share in a $3.8 billion+ claim than $2.00/share for a 1.928 billion claim."

i agree that both cases are winners but i think the current risk reward is pretty properly priced in.... GRZ has about 60mil shares out and can probably swing the bill on arbitration as it sits, kry has almost a 1/2 billion shares out and IF they can finance arbitration and pay bondholders they will probably have a full billion... if mngt can show how they intend to finance this deboggle we will probably see a nice pop...until then i just dont see it.

believe it or not the bright side is that kry is now a pure gamble penny stock and this actually opens it up to a whole new type of investor, also, pretty much ALL of the bad news is out... so the next news we get should be either great (financing, etc) or a death blow (BK). spin the wheel!!