You and I might be the oldest of the oldest here. I started with KRY just as MO was taking over from Miller and I have been rolling with the punches as well for over 15 years. Fortunately, I averaged down to a little over a buck. You said "The Russians can come in with $40 billion and could be a new game..." I suppose it is possible but not the least bit probable given the facts that have surfaced in the recent past. Also: given the conversations you've had with mgmt and others have had with RM and posted here, even though Hugo is a nutball, he's not stupid to the point of shooting himself in the foot(he'd probably miss if he tried)by f@#king over China who recently floated him $20 billion. Again, he's not stupid. I am more hopeful than I have been in 15 years based on the information that has recently come to light and...what kept me hopeful even in the darkest days, was Robert Fung's connection to Li Ka-shing