Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer

The stats and interpretations of outrageous analysis,

Or to take arms against a sea of numbers,

and by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;

Or to put to sleep all, and to end

The heart-ache and the thousand brainy shocks

That we endow on the masses.

Geoff,

I would have to admit that I have dived into the analysis

 about as far as I wish to go at this time.

In the "suspect" P-Values, I would defer to Dr. Sorgente's knowledge.

Regardless, what we both have brought to the forefront is the interpretation

of the stats that there is a significant performance of Agrastim in treating

Necrotic Enteritis.  

We differ on the interpretation of the stats of the boiler chicken study.  

And, no, I was not using the Feed Conversion Ratio as kg to produce kg 

but was using the difference of groups' FCR to determine a factor to use 

in the increase/decrease of the FCR.

Both stat pages are useful to initially show to prospective customers the 

potential of Agrastim.  More studies are underway both by BioAgra and by 

potential customers.  

These two pages of stats are just the beginning of many studies

with rigorous protocols to produce objective results.

What we both need do, if we are presented in the future with more stats,

is to review the stats in further depth before posting, to avoid 

misinterpretation with resulting concern/panic from our readers.

And acknowledge that there is far more testing/studies being performed

with Agrastim; with continued data collection and analysis than what we

have presented to us. 

And, I would be bold to say, that I believe that we both agree that current

stats do indicate that Agrastim is a viable alternative to antibiotics, thus

enabling the industry serving the human food chain to remove antibiotics

while still averting the much larger losses to their production that would result

if nothing was administered to the animals. 

I do interpret that Agrastim administered as a normal part of the feeding 

process would also generate fiscal savings to the industry both in the

health of the animal and in its ability to gain weight using less food.  

I acknowledge that Geoff differs from my interpretation for this application. 

That is the bottom line.

Now, this is not quite an apology but more empathy to those who have called

or e-mailed me regarding the mental overloads or enhanced sleep while 

reading my/our previous posts filled with numbers and attempts at statistical

interpretations.  I'll try to not compose such posts very often.

Please do not use my previous posts as a primer guide to statistical analysis.

With imprecise numbers used mixed with precise numbers, I can easily see

holes to drive through, especially if I can slip pounds in for kg.  And, as Geoff

illustrated in his previous post, there are disagreements of interpretation,

especially when one makes assumptions regarding another's use of numbers.

I quote a saying we learned in day 1 of Stats 101:

"There are liars,

There are Damn liars,

and there are statisticians." 

I do like to see statistics and I can be informed by them.  I am pleased that

BioAgra has posted some stats for all of us to see.  I interpret them as very

bullish for the need for Agrastim, resulting in significant sales.

And I admit that Geoff's challenge pushed me into delving into statistical

analysis such as I have not gone in several decades.  I guess that can be 

interpreted as a good thing.

Now, off to WallyMart to get a new bottle of aspirin.

Kent

Oh, and I avoided posting last night while watching a boxing match and

I have had Nasa TV on while composing this post and am amazed at how

beautiful the HD cameras on the astronuts helmets appear on my TV.  

Incredible progress.