JerryFrancis, I don't know why you spend your energy with the morons on the other site, it's obvious they put all their eggs in one basket, bought in the 40 cent plus range, now they're down a bunch they couldn't afford to loss and are crying the blues on why this stock is not a buck yet. Also it's not a credible site with people with multi aliases. Penny stocks are gambles and should only make up 20% of your portfolio and money you are prepared to loss. I bought AVM several weeks ago and they have mineable copper, (I know we have gold) but the point is they have a mineable resource (and we don't have yet) and it was trading for a buck, AVM that is. It took years for AVM to get to where they are now, so our time will happen when it happens and if it doesn't, so be it and I can use the write off one day against my capital gains but I'm not lossing any sleep these nights, chow....