I totally agree with you. Some day soon we will get the attention that we deserve. Right at the moment there doesn't seem to be many of us that recognize what we have here, but that will change. I see probe as a crouching tiger hiding in the bullrushes just waiting for an antelope to come to drink. When it does, there will be an explosion of sound and furry, and we will all feast. Old Joe- a little ot, but what do you think of ATV - I would appreciate your thoughts.