Beachmaster, now that you've suggested it, I do like the idea of skipping the bag altogether and running the catheter tube directly into my boot! Think of that; no pesky bags to purchase and if the boot gets "kinda" full, simply switch the tube to the other boot!---- UNBELIEVABLE.---- At this point anyone reading this nonsense must think we're both nuts. But alas, I do have a solution. SIGN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, put the shovels in the ground and start building, so that Beachmaster and I (any one else that would like to join us) may visit this exciting adventure---- BEFORE the next Ice Age!---- BILL