Gibby I don't disagree with any point you have raised, the difference is I chose to live my life as an Optomist and will win or loose as an optomist. You have the right to choose how you win or loose. I think we all know that without the DA we all own much wallpaper. When I make a bad bet I man up and take my loss like a big boy, everyone else can do whatever works for them. Management has made the largest bet as they are all in, so I will continue to be optomistic in support of their hard work and patience. As for me I will continue to own a half full glass. So we both agree all this back an forth is entertaining but will change nothing. Gonna see if Alton has any room under his rock.