First, I don't need anyone to confuse me because I am perfectly capable of confusing myself. So not any of your doing. Yes, you're right, there would be no reason for our rainmakers or their friends (my conjecture) would be a part of any purposeful insider shenanigans. I think of them on our side, for the most part, but looking out for themselves too. Plus it would probably be meaningles for so many reasons for them to try and secure some type of share majority. However, it could still be that they could put in stink bids like many of us do but at much larger lots/blocks/# of shares. And if there are very large offers it does seem like the financers or their computers will allow the ask to drop a bit so the order gets filled. So if there are buy orders for 5. 10 millions shares at .0003, the sellers allow it to go through. At this moment, the last trade went through at .0004 so maybe all of that tarding at .0003 is done.