DB..I would certaintly not call myself a "defeatist" and I have been here since you...perhaps less shares, but I think pretty close...I am working on the second ,

They are not telling us crap and if anyone wants to read between the lines that is OK with me...I would like to see some results with some numbers.....

 If you are running your biz on these numbers, I would be very interested on how you do it.  We could not run our business on these results and we employee fourteen people..some making over a hundred K...sales/com's