Your stripes are showing, but I will respond anyway since you stepped in it and I will lead you through your own BS. If you can follow, you might actually get it. If not, you become just another in a long list of bashers in sheep`s clothing. Too bad. No one will loose any sleep ignoring you.

Here`s the way it works in the OEM world:

When a customer gives me or one of our sales managers / reps a container order for an OEM deal (guitars, amps, pro audio, lighting electronics, or some CE cross over product) I have the order validated with our Credit Dept (that means we have the Letter of Credit in house), then on it goes to the China factory that will be doing the work. In my world, that order is ``in production`` from the moment the order leaves my office and goes to the factory. The best evidence would be weekly production reports which show the scheduled orders that are in production. Remember that order from two sentences ago? It will be on the weekly production report the day after I place that order with the factory. Again, that is called a ``production`` report adn the orders listed are ``in`` the factory. Unless you are an idiot, this is fairly simple.

I`ve worked for some very large and some very small brands and ALL use the term ``in production`` once the order is placed with the factory.

The fact is that it will be over 60 days (90 days in the mega China electronics factories) to have the production physically running through the facility on a conveyer belt -- parts need to be ordered, some parts take longer than others, special instructions need to be communicated, packaging (consumer products) needs to be printed / laminated / produced, and container shipping agents need lots of notice to get the best possible price. So, ``in production`` does not mean a product -- especially a packaged consumer product -- is rolling down the production line.

I am not a member of the FF fan club. However, the F10 ``in production`` comment was not a misleading statement in any way. Production was stopped before the product was manufactured, but that is a far cry from NOT being ``in production`` in the real world. Those who bash using that comment usually have no experience in the real world of OEM / China production.

You seem to be a member of that latter group. True? You want to bash FF for something you know nothing about. That seems to be a fact. Or, worse yet, you just read a post from another ``ignorant of the facts`` poster. Is that what happened? Your comments are the true definition of bashing and is very different from a negative comment with some level of factual or perceived support, right or wrong.

It is now far more obvious why you mis-read my ``would you like fries with that`` comment. Hit home?

EOT and have a nice life.