Lowsignal, You are right, refinement is a continual process. You refine the refinements as time goes forward. I sure hope that JJ will make his report as to where things stand at this point and he can at the same time point to the fact that his results may be further refined. This could only be for the better as it will be an upgrade.. What ZEN needs at this juncture is a firm metallurgical base report that will entice some of the non disclosure companies to start making some movement in buy out offers or off take agreements. It's time to move the bar in the direction that benefits the long standing shareholders. Lets get the show on the road. Lets see who has been holding what in their hands. I would think they have all done their DD for their specific needs ie. they have antied up. Now, who is holding the full house, who the 4 Aces and who the Royal Flush. Lets get the upbidding going.   the deputy