I have to agree with you Threshold. I've seen on the other site, run by a guy who knows no wrong, where guestimates over time become quasi-facts and then the fight is on. I think that by now longterm investors have a well grounded understanding of what Zen has and its potential. Lets see what the PEA brings. Then let the calculators work overtime. Don't get me wrong as I do appreicate the work done in figuring out what we have.