TCC has many great members and it seems to me that the Chief has not recovered from the debacle in the fall where he seemed to be telling people one thing and doing something else. Now he purports to be very bullish on ZEN and at the same time he has found a thread to pull around whether the company will produce 50K or 100K per year and who said when and what. From my perspective it's a type of mania, that I don't see helping anyone and is totally irrelevent to the value of ZEN. He was wrong I think he can't admit he was and now he is suffering for that, maybe mostly in his own mind. I have told him is has lost all credibility and so I just can't see paying to be on a site owned by someone like that.

ZEN is still my favorite long term play and it is totally undervalued in my opinion and has consistently delivered.