Amen Goldstar: I would feel much more confident holding HBM than VMS. With VMS too many questions, too few answers. I am very disappointed, disillusioned and will pursue speculation in commodities where risk is defined to price on a supply/demand basis. Junior mioners are far too susceptible to operational risk. I just don't get what happened here, although I am confident that we will soon find out. My only hope is that I (we) aren't totally devastated by the "building shareholder value" policies currently in place.