Hans and Binder, not sure where you are heading with this approach you are taking, are you recommending that everyone sell TDC stock at .02 or .03? I for one won't be doing that. Otherwise I don't see much point in continuing your efforts. Your point is clear but a rise in the price of gold and the broad pm market will raise all ships. We've been through tough times before, I believe this too shall pass. Ike