Woody: The Oakville problem is only the tip of the iceberg, and so is Dalton quitting. The government is full of radicals, like the Minister of Education who calls the right to life movement the biggest misogynistic problem of the current time and is creating a state religion. They don't hold back over here anymore, including on the mining question as you say, but on that one I won't go into detail. The other parties are no alternative, the Conservatives are weak, and the socialist NDP is making big gains, and they are further left than the current government believe it or not. That is what we put up with here in the Heartland. Still, the US isn't much different from what I gather. Ike