Transcript Excerpts from Coxe's 2.24.12 conference call
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Excerpts from Transcript from 2/24/12 Coxe Institutional Call
"The miners make ground…
I gave you three charts — gold, silver and copper, and the gold and silver
are in there because they are having tremendous performance so far this
year, and for the first time in a long time, this week we saw the gold mining
stocks outperforming the bullion.
A great Bloomberg story this week by their mining reporter, quoting Aaron
Regent (President and CEO Barrick Gold) about the flex point coming where
the stocks which are so incredibly cheap relative to the bullion, are about to
outperform.
Snubbing the source…
That is my view, and it will require more dreams (I guess) from investors,
who have found that just buying the bullion was a convenient thing, and
particularly for the hedge funds, because of the fact that they could always
get a bid if they were going to sell the bullion, whereas they couldn’t rely
on this if they decided to scale back their gold with the stocks, because the
bullion there’s always a bid.
That factor shows you (I believe) that hedge funds have been a big, big
driver (particularly Paulson and friends) in terms of the speculative move in
gold, but the real reason why gold and silver are moving is because of this
dramatic change in the fundamentals.
All aboard!
Last year, there was only one of the three major central banks which
was in all-out monetary creation, which was the Fed, so as soon as the
Fed indicated that QE2 was over, then having had a fabulous run-up, the
precious metals stocks rolled over.
But we’ve added two players, so that all three of the major Industrial World
central banks are in monetary expansion because the longtime holdout,
the Bank of Japan, has finally capitulated because they could see that the
Japanese economy, which has been brutalized as a result of the nuclear
disaster, that their industrial base was getting killed by the powerful yen, so
what we are seeing is that it’s unanimous.
Presses in overdrive…
If you want to take one fundamental for gold and then the tagalong, silver,
it’s the growth and expansion of paper money relative to the supply of
bullion in the world, and it’s based sort of on the article of faith that if
money supply is growing far faster than GDP, eventually it will translate
into inflation.
Stimulating markets…
But this is translated into rush of assets of all kinds, with stock markets
around the world soaring at a time there’s been considerable weakening
of most economies — the US economy has been the stronger one because
of the majestic scale of stimulus in the US, both from its $1.2 trillion deficit
plus the Fed, so therefore the stimulus in the US is greater than the stimulus
anywhere else, so we would expect the US stock market to outperform.
Foot off the brakes…
China gave the world the greatest amount of stimulus after the crash, and
they’ve been gradually pulling that out, and they’ve been doing it primarily
by increasing reserves requirements within their system, and now they’re
starting to cut those, so there’s a sense that the Chinese feel that they have
done their part now and that they don’t want their economy to get down to a
6 or 7% growth rate, which would cause major social problems for them.
When you add all this together, what you’ve got is all this paper being
created and it’s very difficult to expand the supplies of precious metals —
there are no great constraints on them.
Limitless…We did not include iron ore.
The iron ore story is sharply different that the others. In part I must admit
it goes back to my experience as a teenager playing with Canadian penny
stocks, and I got to know a veteran geologist and prospector who said “Iron
ore deposits are like belly-buttons; everybody has one.”
This was at a time when they were developing the big Wabush Mines and
Quebec had come on and they were learning to concentrate in Mesabi to
save that range, so the speculative thing for iron ore deposits such as for
the Belcher Islands in James Bay, that turned out to be speculation where
everybody lost.
What’s happened in this cycle has been Australia and Brazil becoming
gigantic suppliers, and an oligopoly has formed. China did their best to
break up the BHP — Rio Tinto relationship because they were in a position
of being total price takers as their steel industry was expanding.
Bring it on…
The big news out of the African Conference (which was a gigantic
attendance) was that there are four countries in West Africa with massive
iron ore deposits and they will be developed with Chinese capital and
support, sometime in this decade.
On the edge of the next wave…
As gold recovered back from its low of $1600 and has moved up to $1780
and silver with its huge move, this is going to mean that there will be lots
of enthusiasm, lots of money to be made and of course there will be some
disappointments as some of these prospects don’t come through, but it
means the next phase in the metals boom is beginning.
We’ve come through the great crash of 2008 and we may be coming through
the second great crash (financial crash as it were) which was averted in the
Eurozone, and as you’ll recall in the last issue of Basic Points we changed
out bearish stance to a moderately bullish stance, on the basis that the sheer
amount of liquidity being created will be enough to do the job and that we
are not going to go into another kind of recession such as we had in 2008,
no matter what happens to Greece because the Greek story is still in total
terms, a small story. Anyway, we have a situation where we’ll probably be able to muddle
through and the overall global forces I don’t think are going to mean that the
failures there — Portugal is the next on the danger list, but the Portuguese
are much more restrained — they are prepared to go through cutbacks.
Battle cry…
Of course, the big thing that could go wrong is what happens if there’s a
war between Israel and Iran? This is kind of unique because this is the most
telegraphed war since World War II and in World War II, the pacifists in
Western Europe refused to believe that Hitler would be damned enough to
actually invade Western Europe with the consequences it would produce,
so they didn’t prepare for war, and Churchill was pushed into the backest
benches as being the one within the Tory party who said, “They are going to
do this and we’ve got to prepare”, so that led to that horrible war.
This time we know that the Israelis have been preparing for this one for a
long time, and they are pressuring the US and the Europeans to do enough
to stop the Iranian progress towards building the bomb, before it’s too late.
Out of the ordinary…
The result is that even though the global economy is weak, we’ve got West
Texas at $108 and we’ve got Brent at $124, so this is already a factor that’s
going to slow down growth within the Industrial World, and if a war breaks
out, and what you hear again is from various experts of all kinds, telling
you what can happen — everybody agrees that the first thing would be the
shutting down the Strait of Hormuz with horrendous consequences.
This is something that — ordinarily as investors you take the view that if
something has been talked about for months and doesn’t happen, you reach
the stage where you say, “It’s not going to happen”, but since in this case it
is existential for Israel that if once Ahmadinejad had the bomb, (given hisviews, and that he’s backed up by the Ayatollah) that Israel does believe that they will not be able (in the long term) to survive, so one way or another it’s likely that something big is going to happen.
By the way the two things that increases the likelihood — one is the civil
war in Syria, which means that the Iranians cannot (using the Hezbollah)
use Syria as a point for invading Israel on the ground, and the other thing is
it’s an American election year. I am not going to make any predictions in this, I am simply explaining that ordinarily if you get this kind of move in oil prices it’s a sign that the global
economy is stronger than the economists say it is — that’s not the signal this time.
Let’s eat…
Finally we have the bit of good news for the world this time, which is that
the food crisis of last year that was building has been averted, and with
the USDA report this week in Washington with pretty low prices predicted
for the key grains, that the FAO is now saying that the food crisis has been averted.
Hunger All systems are go…
What it means is there’s a terrific number of acres — we are going to have
more acres under cultivation in the United States this year, and the farmers,
with corn above $6 and also wheat and soybeans at $12.75, the returns
for putting the inputs in on all those acres will be such that they will be
buying the inputs, so we believe that the likelihood with the cutbacks that
have already occurred in potash production will be such that we will have
good prices and good profits for the suppliers, so the crops will get done
and there will be enough food in the world, but it will be profitable for all
concerned — input suppliers, farmers and for people at large, so I look on it
as a good news story."