Carmine, you know people who know people so how come you believe you were taken? Just curious? Sorry for all of us LONGS, but this story has been the same for a long time now so no one should be shocked at this point. And it looks like the gold/silver/miners cycle is about to bottom and head up for a few years so it's a real shame that greed got in the way of a decent business strategy and SF will likely not be around to participate in the incredible rally that is about to occur in the miners. PQ would have made a lot more just being an honest businessman - he should have hired a good mine operator and gone fishing and he would have been a hero instead of a goat. He is one strange individual and we're a ship of fools for ever believing in him. As the guy who got me into this stock said once the stock started collapsing: A gold mine is often nothing more than a hole in the ground with a liar at the bottom! Khaki