there is hope, I agree that it has at times come to just wanting to break even, I averaged down quite a bit this year and am willing to invest more once I see the turn starting, however one thing to think about is if we take off then the current sp is once again a bargin gift horse ! I just keep looking in it's mouth though !

Thanks to those who post helpfull and optimistic information, without that I think a lot of us would have given up a long time ago.