Would have been nice for a heads up.

We did get a heads up from both. If memory serves me E is in the double dip camp and is waiting for the second shoe to drop. I may be wrong, however he apparently has abandoned all equities not SGR. As for Hotmuck, he is and always will be a big shareholder of SGR. He made a lot of money, as he was in early. He has taken some profit and has moved on to a new venture. GZD. As he explained to me and this board many times, Hard Rock mining is a tough business that will take a lot of time and money, however he is confident that SGR will do it and has socked away many shares of SGR for his future retirement.