lots of times on my trading slips it says that the shares came from their own "house shares" ... so that is one possibility..... and yes, I firmly believe there is SP manipulation going on so some people can scoop cheap shares ... all part of the way itworks and nothing underhanded about that part.... sell afew shares down into the market... spook a few people.. set off some stop losses and away they go.... this downdraft in gold will not last.... the $US can't sustain an extended rally.... although it may pull it off for a few weeks more... good to see you still here killick....