This discussion is making me angry more and more. Incredible waste of time.

There is not one single point where we are, there are many. Yout are talking about one, Foxy about another. None of you will ever be able to agree to the other one without specified posts.

You have to seperate no matter if you rant or you praise. And you can rant on one point and praise another. 

My take: 

- technological: looks very good. 

- economical: we are heading into the right direction, but no purchase orders, no names so far. Just vage statements.

- share price: sucks.

Maybe you can name more points, maybe you have another take. Combine it all and you know why some cannot see everything bright and rosy. You need to look into the future to find hope. And the future is hard to predict. It´s complicated. And it´s the nature of investing and gambling, by the way.