I believe it was robvanhoren that started the elephant talk, haven't heard from him for 5 years, he was a wealth of info back in the day, he departed right around the time SV took over.

With any luck we might just make it to Vegas by 2024, but it's been a hell of a road....if RVH is still out there lurking I'd be interested in your take on the latest developments.

Great works are performed not by strength, but by preseverance.