Yes I get that, that's not my worry what is is that Mika had a chance to really shine in front of the people we are courting and I don't think the shine was too hard on there eyes, if one is going to state the case that we need to be on the nas asap then he should be prepared to get as many answers as possible for the people we are trying to impress and if he can't state numbers about revenue at the moment that's fine and I get that we are dealing with a moving target but then just be forewith and tell these people that we don't want to guess numbers at the moment because of circumstances these guys will understand that they are not stupid but if he hums and haws that just makes it look suspicious.