Yep, he's right there in both categories.  Thanks for locating that Wake.  Maybe we still have a chance in one of the in those individual categories. Also, it seems to me for POET to have been a finalist in the Device Design and Packaging Category, we must have shown them something.  And PIC liked what they saw.  My hope, it was an actual product or advanced prototype.  Just one more thing, many thanks to fj for his great comprehensive analysis of POET's present status.  Looks good to me.  :)  Bt