I've always liked that Rick.....lipstick on a pig......like a silk purse out of a sows ear....well, sort of. Okay, I'm done with bashing the raise, I'm beat up and bruised, but hanging in and hoping to hell that the news on the 28th is good....if not stellar! good luck friends and long time posters......I think we deserve a reward for our long term support. regareds, cheapie ps: Mack, hang in there, the election was so bizzare, it HAS to be divine intervention!