no Tinman, I don't disagree. I'm not sure of anything, just been around long enough to know that shareholders usually aren't the ones to benefit, and the way this story is unfolding I'm less confident. However I don't subscribe to the theory that NOT is toast due to their debt, I'm more likely to believe that Coutts is simply being silent and working behind the scenes. Unfortunately for shareholders who are not in the know of anything, all there is speculation, which can be viscious depending on which side of the fence you are on.

Its tough for shareholders to endure, no doubt.