"Take an opinion for what is is, just my opinion nothing more."

And it seems a good opinion,Ed, but there are opposing opinions, and that is what makes a good debate on a subject.

My next point would be, what is manipulation? It is something that is used by short term traders, and as such it is not a welcome factor for longs. On any given day there are x number of investors that believe this stock is going to go down. There are also y number of investors that believe it is going up. If the downbelievers all stay out of the market, they will double the downward trend, and as such they could be said to be manipulating the market down. The same could be said of the y investors in an upward market. I do it, you likely do it, and any SH's that play this on a regular basis does it. That is the nature of the stock market, and the reason we are all here.

Best regards

K