The biggest problem is that there is just a few posters that are the problem and refuse to have any discussion on anything that is different from their ideals and thoughts towards the value of FWR so a decision can't be made on that forum. The constant noise from these posters effectivly stops the discussion and people are not going to input any reality so a true price will not be found. Many who want to sell at a fair price will be holding for an imaginary price put forth by the close minded posters who twist facts to suit their own way of blind madness. They will never get any backing by enough of retail and any honest refusal to the Cliffs offer by retail has been stopped. I think these people really work for the institutions who are keeping retail out of the equation by hiring these disrupters. The power is in the hands of the institutions and if these posters are really retail, then they have ruined their own cause by stifling discussion from all. Any post is seen as an attack from the outside when in truth it is the attack from inside that is what has happened. I will not let any of those from the FWR HUB speak for me and will give them their place to venomize amongst themselves. Keep them localized and in essance behind the FWR HUB GATES instead of out in public.