In my view the big boys on Wall Street and Bay Street lie and manipulate because they can get away with it often resulting in their own personal gain especially now that stocks are so volatile its their world and we try to get a piece of it we are the ones forced to play fair while their budgets and influence dictate theirs so my post is indeed relevant to the NOT forum and every other forum as we need all the information we can get so we can either beat them or join them for a little piece of the pie we all want.