I'd rather not go back through the posts to get the answer to what you ask, as I luckily haven't read the posts to which you refer. If you read my post to which you respond, you'd see that I was stipulating that hate and venom could well be coming from those whose views are counter to yours and sedley's, but that based on sedley's comments and your inability to agree with them more, I was pointing out what I saw as hateful sentiment being expressed in those few posts as well. It certainly isn't loving sentiment. I'd rather not get into "degrees of hatred".

That being said, as we've discussed in the past, we largely disagree philosophically, at least on political terms. Though, as seems typical with many people, you express an intent to label me, as though one or two words can. If you want to use words to label me, I suppose you can start with "We, the people" and end with "shall have intervened".

I believe there is adequate language contained therein that if respected and enforced as intended, there would be little to discuss on the OT forum as "liberals" and "conservatives" would be quite pleased. Rather, I think it is the bastardization, and the corruption in the name of power and control by those "liberals" and "conservatives", who really don't respect what is contained therein as proven by their actions, and as propogated and enflamed by their rhetoric and through their proxies. We've seen this through both of our lifetimes, and as it is glaringly obvious and irrefuteable through symptoms such as $1.3T deficits and $12T debts as one simple example.