mrmike, No I am not a newby. I have been around for ever. From over $2.00 to .04 to where it is right now. My take is we have discussed short sale more than any other possible news or ideas that will help our SP bearing in mind the new development. I am not saying we should not bring short sale to notice, but it's been discussed with absolute rigor to a point some folks are now giving different meaning to it and that way confusing some of the folks that are new to this business.