Bub, I agree and the top brass owns so few shares it`s not going to move until they figure out how they are going to get a big chunk of it at least that`s how I feel about it. Usually but not always mgt has the quorum but I don`t think so in this case. I also feel this is the big reason for so much secrecy, so the shareholders don`t really know what they have to be really pissed about. I feel it will go but in due time and only after mgt is forced to post some numbers. I never met a lawyer I trusted whether he was working for me or against me. JMHO RJ