This sounds like a good job for the caped crusader ``shareholder rep.``. He should be able to explain this in laymens terms without revealing any secret no.s. Whether he will or not is a whole nother issue. I don`t think royalties would be a forbidden subject for him, after all this is what patents are all about and this is what Patriot is all about. How about it Brian is payment structure a forbidden topic? Anyway, best of luck to all involved and I might add that these ``Devils Advocate posts`` are not doing much for the image of this board. JMHO RJ