I am not miscontruing a thing you are saying, the posts have all been constructive. the mmp deal was done long ago trying to undo it is probably impossible tpl knows that. this is a first offense for him. every time i hire an attorney question first offense judge will give him benefit of the doubt. first offense he made a mistake bad judgement on his part. second offense we will throw the book at him. happens to me every time. in the real world unless we have a unique judge tpl won't be going anywhere. we have to deal with the real world. wolf it has been too many years our bod took us where we are and now they probably can not undo tpl bright bunch our bod. all tpl has to do is promise to pay the money back, almost guarantee that except for that one judge last few post this afternoon have been informative thanks