Centurycom, thanks for your discussion and thought provoking ideas. Please dont take Ron's correction personal. Over the years we know his heart his good and he means what he says about not intending to be abrasive. He just doesnt understand how sometimes we get things twisted and distorted and need a bit of help sorting things back out. His help is invaluable to keeping things in perspective. That is why so many miss him and his posting on the board. But this clarification would have remained silent if you did not post and many would have been silently confused. We need honest discussion about ptsc here. and sincere respect for one another.