not been able to get through. Wolf, Thanks for the pacer info. IMHO, someone called upon these guys in order to make trouble. I find it strange that they are just now coming to the forfront if they thought the patents were not valid why not make themselves known before now? As I stated earilier today, I think they are being paid by ARM or someone from the J3. I wish there was someway we could find out. I hope that we at least get some word from DP--I guess it is hard to make a statement about it at this time. Someone pointed out that we (PTSC) were the only ones mentioned--Chas. Moore's name was certainly on that patent filing. Wierd stuff. Hope agoracom gets problelms fixed--GL, ads