Ignited.. Actually that was Dr Z's response to Mr Semiconductor2's post. This was my last post to him: --Re: PTSC in colossal trouble (Not rated) 4-Oct-06 03:17 pm <"You have to accept that the chances of it being validated are largely independent of the original patent."> If the ideas, description & art of this '584 patent were included in the original 1989 Moore/Fish patent, would it not be covered back to that time? <"TPL chose not to sue ARM . ARM chose to intervene in the case."> You must remember.. PTSC (not TPL) originally chose to sue those Asian cos & not Intel. Intel then chose to intervene inorder to defend their clients. PTSC & TPL then merged their ownership of the patents & TPL's counsel took over the case. During this time Intel licensed MMP. It appears to me it's possible that Townsend Townsend Crew & TPL specifically decided to include those Arm cores in their list of infringing microprcessors.. so in all likelihood the remaining Asian cos would bring Arm into the picture. Arm could hardly say no, since all their other customers past, present & future will now have turned a keen eye to the procedings. -- To which he simply stated "Nonsense" http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Technology/Semiconductors/threadview?m=tm&bn=1335&tid=16393&mid=16416&tof=7&rt=2&frt=2&off=1 Personally I think he's dead wrong when it comes to Arm choosing to step in on their own to interve, as oposed to having this planned by TT&C all along.. Whatever.. the big fish is in regardless Regards