I second that. Although I think they're well into proving production. Just look how similar LaMancha & MTO are in regards to shares O.S., OZ's M & I, OZ's produced (OK maybe a little less), future production, cost per OZ, and ownership (only one of LMA's is 100% owned). I think the only difference is the 43-101, cash costs, cash flow, and more M & I. I also agree once they put out the 43-101, put Bachelor Lake ore in the mix by July, and the mine life at Barry is extended from the rest of the 20,000 meter drill results, the chart will look very similar to LMA for 2009. We are way behind and way overdue, IMHO.