jnycat, all very good questions, but the simple fact of the matter is when you have virtually unlimited capital and the ability to naked short a junior stock with impunity, you can be successful in supressing the price. Who knows how long it can go on, obviously much longer than many here would have expected or could fathom, myself included. You only lose when you give in, time is on our side, it may be a much longer time horizon than most can stomach, and thats why they're successful.