Dead on Edgy! Some accounting is without a doubt needs to be produced. And I surely hope we don't get any more surprises, although they somehow have worked out. While reading everyones post today it brought up good points that need to be addressed. I do have a question? Who pays for the agoracom forum? I never really knew. Also thank you again for Mr. Altmann's phone number although I have never gotten a answer. Of course I don't speak French so I am a little lost on how to answer a machine except to say bon jour. I am guessing Mr. Roy 's number is in some other country, unless that was a typo. Had A few of those today myself when posting. But Edgy brings up a good point. If ECU has only needed possibly a third of what it has already produced why on earth would they not want to make this known. I am pretty sure we would see a lot more investors taking a good look especially in this economy. I will gladly work for ecu for pennies right now just to be able to get more information to stockholders and potential one's to. Another point about ecu doubling production ,if in fact they are adding 400 tpd's a day, why would you not make that public and quickly. There are a lot of people looking to put there money in a safe haven in the next 6 month's and this news is fantastic. I guess what is really needed is this forum having all the information right here in this forum. Biggest reason. The people who have supported this company for a long time. It may be in information, attittude, and wisdom of the markets themselves, and that also includes all who have put there money to work for this company. How can anyone argue if the facts are right here. How could anyone think otherwise than invest with proper information like accounting, goals and objectives, and cash flow. Isn't that what ecu has for value? No one can actually really say that everyone in ecu is that busy to report to there shareholders what is going on do they? And there is hardly anyone I know since being part of this board that has not thought ecu should be valued anywhere near it is today. I don't try to think the worst of situations, but if I only painted half your house, should I expect more money from the customer till I have the time to paint the rest. I mean I might be to busy. Thats how this looks without giving out information to those who have risked there money to make money. For them, there employees, and especially there shareholders who are not getting a check every week. They are. I don't think it is unresonable for all of us to have that information. Good and bad. That sometimes is the nature of the beast. I honestly believe everyone on this board would not have to make frustrating comments or accusations if we could see what we paid for. I also do want to thank everyone who contributes to this board it is always greatly appreciated by me anyway's. Hey Scout I don't want the little guy I just want him to share the gold we built a rainbow for . lol!