Hiram, In no way did I say it was GOGs fault about ECU and its fundamentals. In fact if anything I was trying to come up with any reasoning why ECU is not coming out of there shell. I do not know much about GOG and at one time had thight about buying in. My question was is the ECU GOG problem holding down these stocks. The goods are there, and it is not in either companies best interests to continue bad feelings. I have heard that GOGs chief executive is very hot headed, but that was written by someone else. I would not personally know since I do not have stock currently in GOG. When GOG and ECU first got together I thought this was a good thing considering the financials at that time as well that two management teams would work side by side. The problem we all have is lack of communication from both companies that continues to raise questions of interest that need to be forthcoming. Do you actually think that we as shareholders mean a thing. It is being proven with 2 companies that have the goods and should have all the capitol they need at this point. Otherwise why would ECU try and give out shares to employees without first making a statement to shareholders ahead of time, and second, everyone here has waited a long time for both companies to show a decent share price. Either way the more timely news both companies need to produce is important at this stage of the game. For those who don't know both companies have plenty of upside proven with 43/101 reports. well over expectations. The mine at ECU is up and running and though I can't speak for GOG I hope that production is going on, and if not hopefully soon. The reasoning for my rant Hiram is to get both of these companies to make more efficient communication to there shareholders. This can only increase the ammount of new shareholders in the near future. The fact is we are seeing over 1000 dollar gold, and 17 dollar silver. The time to act is now, not tomorrow. Any wrenches in this environment which is mining friendly is not good business. This does not include what great prices we are actually being able to keep at a low expense. Fuel, employee wages, the actual site and roads to make it easier, a producing mine that is vamping upwards slowly but surely, and the fact that there is no reason for any financing with what has already started to be poured and sold. I am no genuis but this seems like simple logic to me. I only hope that both companies can work this out soon because there time is now. The prove is in the pudding. But how will you get your pudding if you don't eat your meat. LOL! I hope I did not offend you and I am always open to critisism and knowledge. Have a nice day.