In all due respect Observer44,I couldn't care less if you welcome me to the discussion. I made what I feel is a pragmatic call based on the timing of Hoovs thesis and the subsequent collapse in the stock, whether they are casual is irrelevant.......it happened. I actually think Hoov is a very intelligent individual that probably has more integrity in his little finger than most here but that doesn't matter........there will be many that see only cause/effect. So you go about with your rose colored glasses and misrepresent my posts all you want but your firing at the messenger not the message. HERE'S some facts......post Hoov's mention of GAX on 9/08 (he may have mentioned it earlier because I remember his referrence to a.05 stock) it went from .07 to .12 on nothing more than his subtle mention. Since GNH has cratered GAX has lost .03 (from .11 to .08 ) of the Hoov effect in two days.......seems like the market speaks louder than I. I don't need your welcome mat to be able read the tea leafs. As for Hoov's integrity I never said a disparaging thing about it.....I just said it would suffer.......you take that any way you like.