Hey Cylinder, i have taken it up with Agoracom privately and if you were reading between the lines of my previous postings you'd understand my points i was trying to get across. Duh, do ya really think i haven't discovered the CTRL hot keys, please, don't insult my intelligence. Don't cha worry, i won't clutter up this thread such as i've done today, i'll take it straight by email in the future. As far as other websites go, yeah, some features do kick butt moreso than the newly found Agoracom, time will tell if these guys listen thoroughly to what we want implemented...c'ya