Eventually the electrodes will be cost competitive. This is from the CC "So for the customers they should not see any change, except they will see a better electrode coming out, because fundamentally the electrovaya process produces better electrodes than the NMP process and that's due to all kinds of technical reasons I don't want to get into". As far as the orders they have over 45 million in the utility pipeline as well as over 80 million in the industrial pipeline. He states "And you'll see large announcements coming from the utility space". That doesn't even include any of the other sectors.