jc, imo (which has been wrong before), the amex is a cesspool of manipulation (always has been)...that said, with everyone screaming "manipulation" the truth is that kry has been acting pretty much in concert with it's peers......and kry tends to be one of the more violent swingers in this arena anyway....on bad days it's real bad, but on good days it's great (we're due for one of those)...